NO SLICK NEEDS A 390!!

[Red62Uni]

i got to agree with Doc...just kiddin i havent agreed with anything that guy has said since i have been here (probably because he bad mouth mustangs) anyway i am going in search of a 390 who wants to help me put it in. lol.

[ICEMAN6166]

I move along very nicely with a Y block.... And they can tow. There was a reason they were in these trucks, and that's because they have a ton of torque.

Oh yeah, did 85 uphill today in 4th @ 4K rpms.

Worthless old engines ahhhh

i love my y in my 4x4. i usually ride along at 70, 3000 rpm. the truck however likes the 73-77 mph range ,seems to settle right into that spot and effortlessly move down the road.
in 1st gear in 2wd i can zing nice roostertails of the gravel road surface a good distance. in 4x4 i can drive quite nicely thru deep snow and if needed "climb the face of a cow"

[DocDave]

Ok My manhood does not rely on my engine, Just my sense of fun

Now, my engine does rely on my wallet however!!

Dave

[ELpolacko]

Everybody knows that a little tiny 240, built right can hit over 10,000 rpm. And with a 5.10 rear end, would kill any of those gas guzzling, maintenance intensive, money pits you call engines.
And it would still get better mileage than your fuel funnels.

Doc

Gawd, the more you open your mouth (message board wise that is) the more you prove what an idiot you are. Please stop now, because it is evident you don't know what you are talking about.

It is PROVEN that high revving engines are more stressed than low rpm engines. More stress = shorter lifespan, get it? If we were to use your theories in action we could just use weed whacker engines to power ocean liners. Just spin them up to a million RPM and gear reduce them, right?

Take some time and learn about fuel delivery and air flow demands related to engine size VS displacement. An understanding of voumetric efficiency would get you much farther in this argument

[ripsnorter]

before anyone gets too upset at doc, you do realize that 90% of what he says, (especially in the off subject forum when he starts new threads) is tongue in cheek right? I'm not saying he doesnt love his 240 and would rather have it than a 390, but I dont believe he's typing this up without a grin.

I for one love havin him around, he makes me laugh and makes me think a little out of the norm. In fact I'd be downright sad and ticked off if he stopped posting these threads

keep 'er up Doc

[ELpolacko]

Tounge in cheek or not, to make a claims like the one I quoted is asinine.

[ELpolacko]

I have Desktop Dyno and am currently running Doc's mythical engine.

240" Six that can spin to 10,000 RPM
Canted valve rectangle port head (mythical)
Large Valves 2.19 intake and 1.90 exhaust
Large injector stack (individual runner)
Large steppted tube headers
Optimised custom cam for the RPM range of 5,000-10,000

Here are the results:


Exhaust System Specs
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Exhaust System:
Large Stepped-Tube Race Headers


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CamShaft/Lifter Specs
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Cam Name:
Drag Racing High-Speed
Lift At Intake Valve:
0.692 in Cam Follower Type (Lifter): Roller Solid

Lift At Exhaust Valve: 0.692 in Lifter Acceleration Rate: 4.60

Intake Duration:
288.0 Exhaust Duration: 288.0

Intake Centerline: 116.0 Exhaust Centerline 108.0

Lobe Center Angle: 112.0 Valve Overlap: 64.0


Primary Valve Timing:
Seat-To-Seat Intake Opening: 28.0 Intake Closing: 80.0
Exhaust Opening: 72.0 Exhaust Closing: 36.0

Secondary Valve Timing:
0.050-inch Intake Opening: 35.0 Intake Closing: 71.0
Exhaust Opening: 71.0 Exhaust Closing: 35.0

Cam Advance/Retard: 0.0
True Intake Centerline:
116.0 True IVO: 28.0 True IVC: 80.0
True Exhaust Centerline: 108.0 True EVO: 72.0 True EVC: 36.0


Rpm Power Torque Intake Manifold
Pressure Volumetric
Efficiency BMEP
Pressure

1000 31 161 14.70
48.1 80.7
1500 70 246 14.65
57.1 123.8
2000 113 297 14.58 64.6 149.4
2500 159 334 14.46 72.4 167.7
3000 200 351 14.27 77.5 176.4
3500 247 371 14.03 82.2 186.3
4000 302 397 13.71 88.4 199.4
4500 359 418 13.25 93.8 210.3
5000 400 421 12.69 96.3 211.4
5500 421 402 12.14 95.6 202.2
6000 423 371 11.70 92.0 186.3
6500 426 344 11.43 89.5 172.8
7000 413 310 11.11 86.0 155.5
7500 402 281 10.90 82.8 141.4
8000 370 243 10.70 78.5 122.2
8500 351 217 10.64 75.6 109.1
9000 315 184 10.47 71.8 92.5
9500 283 157 10.45 68.8 78.7
10000 246 129 10.38 65.6 65.0


Rpm Brake
Horsepower Indicated
MEP Brake
MEP Friction
MEP Pumping
MEP

1000 31 93.8 80.7 12.7 0.4
1500 70 139.7 123.8 15.1 0.8
2000 113 168.0 149.4 17.2 1.3
2500 159 188.9 167.7 19.4 1.9
3000 200 200.2 176.4 21.5 2.4
3500 247 212.8 186.3 23.6 3.0
4000 302 228.9 199.4 25.8 3.7
4500 359 242.8 210.3 28.1 4.4
5000 400 246.6 211.4 30.3 4.9
5500 421 240.1 202.2 32.6 5.3
6000 423 226.6 186.3 34.9 5.4
6500 426 215.8 172.8 37.4 5.6
7000 413 201.3 155.5 40.1 5.6



7500 402 190.1 141.4 43.0 5.7
8000 370 173.9 122.2 46.1 5.6
8500 351 164.1 109.1 49.4 5.6
9000 315 150.9 92.5 52.9 5.4
9500 283 140.7 78.7 56.7 5.3
10000 246 130.8 65.0 60.6 5.2


Rpm Indicated
Horsepower Brake
Horsepower Frictional
Horsepower Pumping
Horsepower Volumetric
Efficiency
Mechanical
Efficiency
1000 36 31 5 0 48.1 86.1

1500 79 70 9 0 57.1 88.6
2000 127 113 13 1 64.6 88.9
2500 179 159 18 2 72.4 88.7
3000 228 200 24 3 77.5 88.1
3500 282 247 31 4 82.2 87.5
4000 347 302 39 6 88.4 87.1
4500 414 359 48 7 93.8 86.6
5000 467 400 57 9 96.3 85.7
5500 500 421 68 11 95.6 84.2
6000 515 423 79 12 92.0 82.2
6500 532 426 92 14 89.5 80.1
7000 534 413 106 15 86.0 77.3
7500 540 402 122 16 82.8 74.4
8000 527 370 140 17 78.5 70.3
8500 529 351 159 18 75.6 66.5
9000 514 315 181 19 71.8 61.3
9500 507 283 204 19 68.8 55.9
10000 496 246 229 20 65.6 49.7







You can clearly see even with a head that isnt available you aren't going to get the RPM out of that engine and it doesnt' make all that much horse power for what it is. I could screw with the data a bit more but the reality is 10K isn't going to happen on a normaly aspirated engine untill you really start getting into the engine. Multiple valve per cylinder and a shorter stroke may get better VE% but then it's not a stock six anymore is it.

Sad reality is this engine would be miserable to deal with on a daily basis and really doesn't make much more HP or torque than a stocker 427 FE and based on the CFM demands it wouldn't be more efficient, not by a long shot.

[ELpolacko]

Here is a page of calculators you can try at home to estimate your horsepower, displacment and such.

http://www.hotrodders.com/kb/engine-calculators

Engines are pretty simple when you break it down in mathmatics. It is just an air pump afterall.

[DocDave]

Way to serious

Doc only puts this stuff here to start us yaking... and it works

I have great fun poking at what he says and I'm sure he does hearing what we say

If we took him seriously we'd have to declare war

Are we ready for another Canadian, US war?

It's all just in fun and not intended to have a shred of reality in it, just laughs.

Dave

[ABA]

I drive about 6 miles of interstate hwy to work. About 2 or 3 times a week I get behind this old man who drives 55MPH and the posted speed is 70MPH.

That's you ain't it Doc.
I knew I knew you from somewhere.

[BigTim]

I think he dropped a 390 on his head. I still like reading his tounge in cheek stuff. I am sure he is just fishing for some spirited conversation,...keeping the forum colorful.

[bigtrip460]

So don't let those inflicted with 'aging testosterone disease' try to tell you that you need a 390. You don't. And of course a 460 is just insane.

[ripsnorter]

Thanks guys. Especially dave. I was worried ol' doc was going to get run off.

And for the record I'd put a shiny nickel on Doc not being serious about 10,000 RPM. I think he was about as serious as I am when I say "I'd give a million dollars to be left alone for a day!!"

We love ya Doc

[fmartin_gila]

Now you done it. Ripsnorter caught on, and now your whole evil scheme is out in the open. Time to change tactics?
Fred

[ELpolacko]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, huhhuuhhh causing drama is cool, huhuhuhuhu....

[Macon ACE]

Way to serious

Doc only puts this stuff here to start us yaking... and it works

I have great fun poking at what he says and I'm sure he does hearing what we say

If we took him seriously we'd have to declare war

Are we ready for another Canadian, US war?

It's all just in fun and not intended to have a shred of reality in it, just laughs.

Dave

I dunno. Guys, do we want another crack at our Northern neighbors? IIRC: those canucks have only fought 1 war - and they won, didn't they?

Anyone remember who it was they fought? Anyone? Class? Bueller?

[The Big M]

You remember incorrectly.

War of 1812, WWI, WWII, Korea, and currently Afghanistan, to name a few.

[dwbr]

your right, those engines will do, then agian, you can also drive a rice burning toyota, but i choose not to, thats why i choose to have a 514 stroker, and i drive a 4x4 superduty everyday, because I Choose. dont let someone make your decisions for you, if you want someone to tell you what you can drive, and do, then its time to move.. hope you like rice
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Chevrolet G-Series vans

[Uncle Skip]

If you won all those wars, why does everybody up there insist on speaking French?
The French have never won a war with anybody except Viet Nam.
ROTFLMAO
U@ss
How's that for stirring the pot

[Alan Mclennan]

The French have never won a war with anybody except Viet Nam.
ROTFLMAO
U@ss
How's that for stirring the pot

Did they win I thought they jussstttttt left

Doc,You must have strong line on your fishing pole!


Alan